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Quoted :: Glenn

Go tell that to the people at Chernobyl.


Yes, but Chernobyl was a victim of bad organisation. Here's an article:
http://www.magma.ca/~jalrober/Chernobylhere.htm


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# The U.S.S.R.'s RBMK design of reactor, to which the Chernobyl one belonged, used inflammable graphite (similar to barbecue briquettes) as moderator. During reactor operation the graphite runs hot: when the accident happened it became exposed to the air and started to burn. It was the resulting fire, lasting ten days, that was primarily responsible for the early deaths of 31 plant workers and for releasing so much radioactive material to the near and far environments. The CANDU design uses heavy water, not graphite, as moderator. Water, far from sustaining a fire, tends to wash out and hence retain the fission products of greatest concern, iodine and cesium.
# The Chernobyl reactor had a large "positive void effect" during operation with fuel at a high burn-up, such as existed at the time of the accident. A positive void effect means that if a void develops within the reactor core, e.g., by steam formation when cooling water hits hot graphite, the reactor power increases, making the accident more difficult to control. CANDU reactors have a positive void effect but this is maintained at a low level, well within the capacity of the shutdown systems to override it, by continuous on-power refuelling. Also, the absence of hot graphite reduces the likelihood of large void formation.
# The detailed design of the Chernobyl shutdown rods was such as to increase the reactor power first before having their intended effect, under the particular circumstances at the time of the accident. This design weakness does not apply to CANDU reactors.
# The building in which the Chernobyl reactor was located was totally inadequate as containment for radioactive material released as a result of the accident. CANDU reactors are contained in reinforced-concrete buildings with walls about a metre thick, designed to retain releases and suppress steam formation.
# There was generally a poor "safety culture" at Chernobyl. It, according to the IAEA, is "that assembly of characteristics and attitudes in organizations and individuals which establishes that, as an overriding priority, ... safety issues receive the attention warranted by their significance". Examples of the poor safety culture at Chernobyl were inadequate examination of a test program that had not been done during commissioning but was being conducted at the time of the accident; violation of operating procedures; and pressure on the operators to maintain production at the expense of safety. Since this cause is not a simple question of yes or no as for previous ones, the difference in Canadian utilities is only a matter of degree. Indeed, Ontario Hydro was criticized in the 1997 IIPA Report for a decline in its safety culture. However, Ontario Hydro at its worst would never have allowed the abuses that led up to the Chernobyl accident.
# A largely ignored root cause of the Chernobyl accident was the absence of a fully independent and effective regulatory body, a vital component of defence in depth. The Canadian regulator, the AECB, would not have licensed the RBMK design and would not have permitted operation under the conditions prevailing at the time of the accident. Regrettably, the international program to improve the safety of former-U.S.S.R. reactors has paid little attention to this aspect, concentrating on the design and operations.

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How does Cl2 go up then? lower densities should be higher in the atmosphere (or statosphere or however it is called)
By the wind, I believe. Bear in mind that even though molecular weight makes a difference, it doesn't mean every single different type of molecule comes in layers, they are dispersed. Not every Cl2 molecule is higher in the atmosphere than O2 molecules, just that some of them will be.

O2 has a molecular weight of 32
H2O has a molecular weight of 18

so why can we breathe?:P

O3 has a molecular weight of 48
O2 has a molecular weight of 32

O3 is only at the top AFAIK because it is formed in the presence of UV light.

Cl2 is broken up by UV light, which would make the molecules lighter, so they'd go up.

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Quoted :: DarkOne


launching a nuclear missile at the sun will do absolutely nothing. Not because the sun is too big, but because the sun is "burning" due to nuclear fusion already (nuclear fusion >>> nuclear fission)



That's why it's a good thing. It's to get rid of all our waste. Just send all our waste to the send to be gone.



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PS, mister C1
if you electrolyse water, it will cost you as much energy to electrolyse it as you will get from burning it :) and since you'll always lose energy due to warmth... *ineffecient alert*


That's why you would use another type of energy that is renewable to use electroysis. It's not like that uses much energy [B]C1$1thinks.
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Yes Zog, I know it was bad organization at Chernobyl. I was just pointing out the fact that it is possible for a nuclear reactor to go to pot.
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Star worms: will the wind go up to 25 kilometers height? I thought it stopped going up after about 10 kilometers. Don't have any facts about that though. The ozone layer is higher

Nice try @ H2O, but you just proved that H2O goes up in gas form enabling us to breath :p
You should've added N2 :p

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N2 = 28

so O2 is heavier:P But you get my drift, anyway:P

The wind must go as high as molecules do, they're still moving around and so long as they're moving around, they're going to diffuse around.

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if air continues to go up in such a manner, it means it will go up until it will lose influence of gravity then? that would make the atmosphere shrink!

There is wind at 10km height, but these winds are sideways (the coreolis winds, I believe), not upwards

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